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« on: August 07, 2007, 04:22:20 PM » |
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Good job our thieving postie wasn`t on strike today. While at the farmhouse behind us he (luckily being an ex-fireman) sniffed something dodgy. Opening the letterbox and looking through windows he could see smoke. Straight down to Yawner Towers, he wants me to phone 999. Sod that. I was getting my camera out. Postie phones 999. No sign of smoke from this distance:  Only a matter of minutes before our brave boys arrived:  Hotly pursued by house tenant:  ..and then the old bill and a local farmer fancy a buthers.....  ..but no flickering flames or screaming people this time.  Fireman Geoff (his wife cuts my hair) explained it was a plugged-in kettle that had gone poof. One corner of the kitchen was destroyed with the worktops and appliances melted etc. More of a smoke-fest than a fully-fledged fire, but could have developed into a lot worse but for super postie. This place is *so* exciting! Mrs Y will be unplugging all the electrical appliances tonight. |
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2007, 04:44:10 PM » |
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Mrs Y will be unplugging all the electrical appliances tonight.
My grandad (a retired fireman) unplugged everything before he slept every night |
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2007, 05:01:44 PM » |
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We always used to unplug everything at my folks when we were kids. I still do the same, but the wife doesn't.... Maybe this'll scare her into doing so.... and what a nice place to live......
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2007, 05:17:10 PM » |
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and what a nice place to live......
Check out teh website - its available to all at competitive prices  Thats not spam. It can't be. Edit - Not so nice tonight. Tractors chugging away on all sides catching up with overdue bailing. |
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2007, 08:35:59 PM » |
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We live in the country as well.... except for the mad buggers who drive on the orad outside our front door.... the A72 if anyone is curious...
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2007, 08:45:41 PM » |
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Wife wants to visit The Lakes some time, so we might be in touch... All we have to offer are our orchard's produce.... plum, apples, damsons, gooseberries, rasps and home made Jam and Jelly.... lol unfortunately we're not selling online yet....lol
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2007, 09:28:49 PM » |
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We always used to unplug everything at my folks when we were kids. I still do the same, but the wife doesn't.... Maybe this'll scare her into doing so.... and what a nice place to live......
Andy
I don't unplug everything, but my whole room runs off two sockets, so it's really easy to power everything down when I'm out. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2007, 09:36:43 PM » |
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I don't unplug everything, but my whole room runs off two sockets, so it's really easy to power everything down when I'm out.
That sounds safe... |
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2007, 07:30:51 AM » |
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I don't unplug everything, but my whole room runs off two sockets, so it's really easy to power everything down when I'm out.
That sounds safe... Why wouldn't it be? I never pull anything like 13 amps off any given socket. |
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You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake
And the science gets done, and you make a neat gun
For the people who are still alive
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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2007, 08:05:21 AM » |
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I don't unplug everything, but my whole room runs off two sockets, so it's really easy to power everything down when I'm out.
That sounds safe... WHS. Great advice for how to avoid a house fire  |
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2007, 08:48:27 AM » |
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I don't unplug everything, but my whole room runs off two sockets, so it's really easy to power everything down when I'm out.
That sounds safe... WHS. Great advice for how to avoid a house fire See my reply above, Nothing dangerous at all about plugging in a bunch of stuff so long as the cables aren't strained/fatigued and you're not pulling more than the max ampage. My cables are nicely organised, I don't pull anything like the max current, everything's well maintained and dust free, the extension cords are surge protected, only one set is daisy-chained (and that's on a set of consoles - ie, only one turned on at any one time) and I power the whole lot down when I'm out. Perfectly safe. We're told not to daisy-chain extensions or plug everything into one socket because it's assumed that people will be overloading the circuit or ending up with a dangerous tangle of wires, and this does happen. Shaz used to have a hideous tangle of wires in one room that were so strained they were pulling the socket off the wall. Mine aren't anything like that. |
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But there's no sense crying over every mistake
You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake
And the science gets done, and you make a neat gun
For the people who are still alive
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2007, 08:20:13 PM » |
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We're told not to daisy-chain extensions or plug everything into one socket because it's assumed that people will be overloading the circuit or ending up with a dangerous tangle of wires, and this does happen. Thanks for that Tantard. Next time the NIC inspector's out on site i'll tell him that it is in fact ok. I'm sure he'll agree with your better judgement. Why do you think there's a limit to only 1 spur of each socket on a ring main? IIRC, a 2.5mm twin & earth cable can take something like 26amps before breaking down/getting hot whatever so in theory you could have lots of stuff plugged in and pull too much load, especially with things like amps and anything with a heating element in it such as a heater or fridge or microwave. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2007, 08:51:51 PM » |
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Hey!!! Stop taking over my spam thread!!
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2007, 09:25:24 PM » |
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2007, 07:28:27 AM » |
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We're told not to daisy-chain extensions or plug everything into one socket because it's assumed that people will be overloading the circuit or ending up with a dangerous tangle of wires, and this does happen. Thanks for that Tantard. Next time the NIC inspector's out on site i'll tell him that it is in fact ok. I'm sure he'll agree with your better judgement. Never said he would. In fact, I'm fairly certain I said we get told to do the exact opposite. If you can point out the point where I said "hey, do this on big industrial sites and they'll love you for it," please do. I believe I was talking about a small residential setup with a lot of low-power, mostly idle devices, not a server farm. Why do you think there's a limit to only 1 spur of each socket on a ring main? IIRC, a 2.5mm twin & earth cable can take something like 26amps before breaking down/getting hot whatever so in theory you could have lots of stuff plugged in and pull too much load, especially with things like amps and anything with a heating element in it such as a heater or fridge or microwave.
So after I said I don't pull anything like max load, you're telling me my setup is bad because I might be pulling max load with that microwave I keep alongside my consoles? This isn't the way to do it if you're going to plug in a bunch of stuff that sucks power, but again, I never said it was. In fact -yep - I said the exact opposite. What a shock - it's almost as if I knew my setup was unusual, but was explaining why it was perfectly safe. Perhaps next time you'll actually read my post before acting like a cock? |
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2007, 07:35:51 AM » |
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2007, 09:26:37 AM » |
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Never said he would. In fact, I'm fairly certain I said we get told to do the exact opposite. If you can point out the point where I said "hey, do this on big industrial sites and they'll love you for it," please do. I believe I was talking about a small residential setup with a lot of low-power, mostly idle devices, not a server farm.
NIC covers domestic not just industrial. Server farms have nothing to do with it, pull to much power and you risk the chance of an overheating cable and possibly a fire. I've seen it and i've found fuseboards where they are so hot you can't put your hand on them. So after I said I don't pull anything like max load, you're telling me my setup is bad because I might be pulling max load with that microwave I keep alongside my consoles?
This isn't the way to do it if you're going to plug in a bunch of stuff that sucks power, but again, I never said it was. In fact -yep - I said the exact opposite. What a shock - it's almost as if I knew my setup was unusual, but was explaining why it was perfectly safe.
Perhaps next time you'll actually read my post before acting like a cock?
You may not think you're pulling max load but what if a heating element breaks down, then what happens is you start to get problems. Or if a piece goes faulty then you may cause an increase in load. I'm not saying you have a microwave in your room but i'm using a microwave etc as an example that in general you should not have lots of devices of few sockets like you originally said you had. Just because you don't think something draws a lot of amps doesn't mean it can't if something happens and as I mentioned, if someone perhaps has fitted the wrong fuse and it is too large rated for the appliance then it wont blow and then the additional current is drawn on the cable. Then you can start to have issues. The only person who looks like a cock is you, i'm just giving a reasonable argument as to why you should not overload sockets and i'm sure Fireservice has seen incidents of this nature. Only trying to be helpful. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2007, 11:02:36 AM » |
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I didn't think the thread was that exciting, for your stick to twitch  See what you've started Nige. Hope you're ashamed of yourself.
He's disappointed that the focus has shifted from the Yawner Towers and I expect he's hoping that no-one's going to mod the thread into the search engine unfriendly world of Nige's gaffe. However my mod stick is twitching.  |
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2007, 11:04:59 AM » |
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The only person who looks like a cock is you, i'm just giving a reasonable argument as to why you should not overload sockets and i'm sure Fireservice has seen incidents of this nature. Only trying to be helpful.
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2007, 01:23:14 PM » |
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. Or if a piece goes faulty then you may cause an increase in load.
True, a fault can indeed cause an increase in load. A short circuit here or there could make for some interesting troubleshooting. But there are two to three fuses in between most of the equipment and the wall, my computer's got at least 2 surge protectors/fuses on it, and the circuit itself has a breaker. I promise you, I didn't just plug all of this stuff in without thinking about it. I was worried myself, so I got my smart-bum brother to take a look, and he reckons there's no worries in my case. The chances of failure are low, the fuses are correct (3 amp or 5 amp down the line - certainly no 13 ampers!), the equipment's all modern and well maintained, and I don't pull excessive load. Sure, there's a very minimal chance of my house burning down, but there always is, right? For that to happen with, say, my X-box, the X-box would have to develop a fault, then its inbuilt circuit breaker would have to fail, then its plug fuse would have to fail, then the fuses/surge protectors on two extensions would have to fail, then the mains circuit breaker would have to not trip. Then it would have to overheat (while I was in the room) to a point where it set fire to pine. It's not a particularly likely scenario. There is one piece of equipment I keep unplugged until I need it, and that's the Spectrum. By God, that overheats something rotten. Knowing my luck, I'll go home and find smoke coming out of the windows now. The only person who looks like a cock is you, i'm just giving a reasonable argument as to why you should not overload sockets and i'm sure Fireservice has seen incidents of this nature. Only trying to be helpful.
By being sarcastic and snide? I don't take objection to advice. I take objection to people making "Tantard" remarks because they assume I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't want to argue with you, and I'm not challenging your knowledge, but please don't talk down to me in future. We basically agreed on the dangers, so there's really no need for bitchiness. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2007, 01:45:26 PM » |
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Let's not need to move this into the Nasty Gaff eh?
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2007, 02:03:02 PM » |
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Let's not need to move this into the Nasty Gaff eh?
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2007, 07:31:56 PM » |
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See what you've started Nige. Hope you're ashamed of yourself.
He's disappointed that the focus has shifted from the Yawner Towers and I expect he's hoping that no-one's going to mod the thread into the search engine unfriendly world .. Shame on you (shudder, that brings back memories) Mr teh Chris.  If that were teh case I would have used the correct name as opposed to Yawner Towers. Sad as it may seem, I *was* genuinely excited by the big red fire engine thundering through our back garden. I could always call you a "cock" but that would be a silly insensitive confrontational thing for anyone to say in our new shiney respect-everyone DDN where WE DON`T CALL NAMES ANYMORE.  |
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2007, 07:35:30 PM » |
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in our new shiney respect-everyone DDN where WE DON`T CALL NAMES ANYMORE. I didn't know that. So I cant even call KT a cock? even though he clearly is one. |
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2007, 09:52:42 PM » |
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Let's not need to move this into the Nasty Gaff eh?
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2007, 02:04:17 AM » |
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Mrs Y will be unplugging all the electrical appliances tonight.
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