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« on: September 04, 2011, 08:18:39 AM »

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I'm back with another one of my pauper, 'wanting something for nothing' queries!!!!

My son has saved up his birthday money and has accumulated £275. He wants to buy a PC with the money. He only needs the tower as he has Monitor etc. He wants to use it for gaming (Minecraft, L.O.L, Portal 2, Team Fortress 2). I've been looking around, and there are plenty of PC's within his budget but my lack of hardware knowledge means I have no idea whether they will be capable of playing the games. I think it is the graphics card and processor that's the important factor.....but then I have no idea what's good or not?
Is he expecting too much to be able to buy a suitable PC with this budget?dry
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2011, 09:59:43 AM »

I don't think those games are the most graphically demanding. But I think you're going to struggle. Though I don't know so much about the low-end.

I can't see anything in that range having a discrete (separate) video card, and onboard video is just not there yet for these games.

What systems have you been looking at? I'm guessing you're not looking into building yourself...?
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2011, 10:27:38 AM »

A few good examples here, although some are without the graphics card. Does he have one in the old pc that he can plug into the new??
He would need to transfer across Harddrive/Graphics from the old PC. But these are relatively decent spec's, will do fine for the above games.
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/barebones.html

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2011, 10:59:33 AM »

I wish I was in a position to be able to throw some more dollar his way, but unfortunately I'm not!
Realistically, what sort of budget should he be looking at? His room is full of stuff he never uses....I'm wondering if he should consider trying to sell a few bits and bobs to increase his budget enough to get him something decent? Would £100 make enough difference?

To give you an idea, here's a few he's been looking at

http://www.dixons.co.uk/gbuk/packard-bell-imedia-a3523-uk-refurbished-desktop-pc-07604387-pdt.html (crap onboard graphics)

http://www.dixons.co.uk/gbuk/hp-pavilion-slimline-s5770uk-p-refurbished-desktop-pc-09734828-pdt.html?srcid=369&xtor=AL-63 (crap onboard graphics)

This is slightly over budget: http://www.ebuyer.com/269813-acer-aspire-m3910-desktop-pt-sdxe2-188 <<not sure about the graphics card??

I'm dubious about buying off fleabay....and they call these a 'gaming' computer despite a not so great integrated graphics card:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SB-WIN-7-PC-E3400-500GB-4GB-DDR3-GAMING-COMPUTER-/380305763763?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item588bfd6db3
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BX-DDR3-GAMING-PC-COMPUTER-E3400-WIN-7-PC-500GB-4GB-/390240898440?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item5adc2b8d88

A few good examples here, although some are without the graphics card. Does he have one in the old pc that he can plug into the new??
He would need to transfer across Harddrive/Graphics from the old PC. But these are relatively decent spec's, will do fine for the above games.
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/barebones.html

Dud

Thanks for the link.


The barebones PC's don't come with OS do they, so that would be an additional expense.

He's currently got a hand me down, dell dimension 3000....probably not anything worth salvaging from that!!!
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2011, 12:01:24 PM »

Kim - if you pay for postage, I've got a bit of a monster PC you can have. It's a big and heavy tower unit, bought from Scan a few years back - but it's got a dual channel 512MB graphics card etc. All quite fancy and the best you could buy at the time - had no issues with whatever games. I would imagine postage wouldn't be that cheap, but the offer's there if you want it.

Note you would have to sort out your OS and get a hard drive for it....
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2011, 12:08:16 PM »

I'm no gamer and not played any of the games mentioned but looking at the minimum spec of Portal 2 graphics wise and it mentions nVidia GeForce 8 512MB. Looking at eByuer you can get one of these for around £28. Obviously that's the bare minimum but you can buy an nVidia GT430 1GB for £43 so not too much to save up for. The bigger problem is going to be CPU, it seems you really want to be looking for a 3Ghz (especially if you don't have that much RAM or VRAM) and that's where it gets expensive. The ebuyer system you linked to is by far the best machine of the three BUT the graphics is onboard and won't be up for the job.

Personally I'd go for this Novatech barebones system http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/barebones/Novatech/BB-8504A.html, whack in a nVidia GT430 and perhaps see if you can use the OS on his existing Dell Dimension if it's not OEM. If he really want's/needs Windows 7 than that is just going to get massively expensive and time to sell or save for longer. But as I say, I'm no gamer.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2011, 02:52:07 PM »

Thanks Sam I've DM'd you  smile

slaughteredlamb - I am thinking you and Dud are both offering wise suggestions! I have passed on the info to my son.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2011, 11:09:49 AM »

I'd recommend saving for a bit longer to be honest.

The games you've mentioned aren't the most graphic-intensive, although Portal 2 probably needs the highest spec machine, so look at the minimum specs for the game and see what sort of PC you should aim for.

Remember that PC hardware moves along all the time, and the games do to, so what suits him now might not be up to scratch in a year's time, say. Although at least you can put in a better graphics card for not too much money at that point.

On-board graphics cards are pretty rubbish, and no "gaming machine" would ever use one, although you can pick up a fairly decent graphics card for not too much money these days. Certainly a card that'll play the games you listed anyway.

I think your best bet is to go for a pre-built machine like the ones you're looking at, and think about getting one with a one or two sub-standard bits in them (usually it's the graphics card that's not up to scratch) and then buying a slightly better graphics card and putting it in. It's often cheaper than buying a machine that's got all the fancy bits in right from the start. But for £275, you probably won't get too much.

If Sammo were here, he'd recommend looking at Ginger6 for some cheaper PCs. I'd recommend looking at Big Pockets. I've bought a system from them similar to what you're after and they seemed pretty good for the money. I bought the machine, and a new graphics card, and I had a machine that lasted for a long time. They also do refurbished machines too, for a little less money.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2011, 11:57:25 AM »

I'd also take a look at http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ - you're likely to be pushing your budget still but they have regular offers that are updated weekly, and you can usually get a cheap but pretty powerful base system and then add a gfx card as an upgrade, eg. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-265-OK&groupid=43&catid=2038&subcat=
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2011, 11:59:34 AM »

In my experience, Overclockers' "deals" basically reduce the price of items down to what everyone else sells them at normally. Perhaps it's just my experience though.

Also, the last time I bought something from them, it was a minimum £7 delivery.
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2011, 12:14:35 PM »

In my experience, Overclockers' "deals" basically reduce the price of items down to what everyone else sells them at normally. Perhaps it's just my experience though.

Also, the last time I bought something from them, it was a minimum £7 delivery.

I got my laptop from them a couple of months ago on an offer that made it 2-300 less than I found it elsewhere smile
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2011, 01:32:39 PM »

You must have got a great deal then. I've built a PC using parts bought from them before, and although I do still see the occasional god offer from them, I don't think I'd build another PC using parts mostly bought from them.

I still get their email newsletter though, on the off-chance they have something good.
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2011, 01:44:25 PM »

Sam H-S, you're a very nice man.
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2011, 04:41:29 PM »

Sam H-S, you're a very nice man.
I can't help myself, pretty ladeeees do that to me wink

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