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« on: May 10, 2011, 01:11:50 AM » |
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I never paid much attention to the jailbreaks/cracks that were coming out for devices until recently (Cost me £140 to have my iPhone screen replaced, so it was probably out of spite for apple  ). I am wondering what the views of people on here are for and against jailbreaking, in particular wether you agree with the arguement that if you pay for the hardware, you can install what you want on it? It seems to be quite a grey area at the moment, with Apple loosing in court but Sony winning. - Been a while since i've had the opportunity to come on with A-Levels. Sorry to see the .Net forums go, but i'm not surprised  Hopefully i'll be more regular as exams pass by. Flange. |
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2011, 05:24:48 AM » |
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I've nothing against the practise, but people should be more honest about why they do it. They spout off about getting control of their device, but it seems to me that it's mostly used so people can easily pirate apps and games.
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spannaa
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2011, 08:15:03 AM » |
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Not sure about iPhones but rooting an android phone has numerous advantages including:
Running custom roms.
Full phone backup and restore capability.
Changing partition sizes to enable more apps to be stored on the phone's internal memory.
Longer battery life.
Using the phone as a wifi access point.
Running apps which need special permissions.
Removing and/or replacing system apps.
No pirated apps/games here ;-)
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rutty
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 08:35:51 AM » |
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I jailbroke my iPhone so I could install little functions that Apple deem not worthy, like SBSettings, custom ringtones etc.
However, I found that I didn't really care enough and so it's since been updated to the latest build. I could jailbreak it again but I probably won't.
No pirated software here either;)
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Dom
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 08:45:59 AM » |
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Flange. Brought a tear to my eye, that did.  I've never jail-broken a phone myself, but I've been tempted. The Android 2.2 update on my Wildfire has noticeably slowed the phone down, but I imagine that's because of the HTC Sense UI, in part at least, that gets put over the top. Formatting the phone and sticking a vanilla Android install on it might speed it up a little. Also, T-Mobile have seen fit to disable the tethering function, which I guess a fresh install of Android would re-enable. I have no pirated apps either. I tend not to put too much on my phones anyway, but if I really needed an app I wouldn't think twice about paying for it. |
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Mr Anderson
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2011, 08:47:24 AM » |
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like SBSettings
What are they?  You can do custom ringtones without jailbreaking BTW. |
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2011, 09:31:16 AM » |
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Just out of interest, what happens when your mobile contract runs out and you want to change providers or use PAYG? Do you have to jailbreak your phone to do this? I've only got 6 months left on my iPhone contract so I'll need to sort out something at some point.
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spannaa
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 09:38:55 AM » |
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No, you don't have to jailbreak the phone, you just need it unlocking.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2011, 09:42:24 AM » |
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No, you don't have to jailbreak the phone, you just need it unlocking.
Ah right thanks, I've never had a contract before so I'm a bit of a numpty in this area. Looks like I can get that done for about £20 online. I've been happy with Orange though so I might just go onto one of their cheaper contracts. |
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 10:49:11 AM » |
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like SBSettings
What are they? You can do custom ringtones without jailbreaking BTW. Custom ringtones can be installed straight from Cydia when jailbroken - bit more of a pain in the bum otherwise. SBSettings sticks a top-bar function on the phone that allows you to turn on/off 3G/WiFi etc, like you get on Android. Probably the most useful thing in Cydia.That and SSH access. I tried all the themes, fonts and custom home screen stuff but I can manage quite happily without it. |
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Mr Anderson
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 10:57:46 AM » |
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SBSettings sticks a top-bar function on the phone that allows you to turn on/off 3G/WiFi etc, like you get on Android. Probably the most useful thing in Cydia.That and SSH access.
Ah, right, cheers. I can't say I've ever been inclined to jailbreak mine, but that could just be down to not knowing what I'm missing, and so not missing it. |
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 11:02:31 AM » |
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Not sure about iPhones but rooting an android phone has numerous advantages including:
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I rooted my Galaxy S to install the lagfix. Now it runs like a greyhound that's just been stung on the testicles by a hornet. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2011, 11:37:17 AM » |
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Changing partition sizes to enable more apps to be stored on the phone's internal memory.
That sounds interesting. How involved is it and do you need a custom ROM? Stock ROM works fine for me, and I've got a lot of stuff installed. Don't want to mess too much, but getting low on RAM even though using Move2SD Enabler to move almost everything to SD. Is there a way to see what's actually using RAM and how much is just wasted? |
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Great post Jon! I have been following the effort since you started it, and although I have understood its purpose this post does a really great job solidifying the full rationale.
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2011, 12:20:32 PM » |
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It's not overly complicated to do but there is a slight risk of bricking your phone.
Not sure it'd work with the stock HTC rom though as sense requires the /system partition to be quite large.
You'd probably need to install the vanilla froyo rom first.
You'd then need to root the phone and s-off it too (instructions can be found on the XDA dev forums).
Once this is done you can customise the partition sizes.
To take advantage of the increased space and use the /cache partition more efficiently, it's also worth moving dalvik-cache to /cache.
My /data partition is just short of 200MB in size and, with 60 odd apps installed on it, still has just over 50MB of free space. Nothing is installed on my SD card.
You can see what's using up your internal memory by going to Settings > Applications > Manage applications > Downloaded and using the menu button to sort by size.
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Mr Sparkle
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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2011, 12:39:13 PM » |
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but it seems to me that it's mostly used so people can easily pirate apps and games.
Tried to avoid the point in my opening post to keep the discussion more about the ethics of jailbreaking rather than the whole piracy thing. It might be worth noting that while jailbreaking does make pirated apps availible (not by default), the are also apps and tweaks on Cydia (kind of like an equivalent to the app store) which are paid. One of the most useful features I've found from jailbreaking is being able to ssh into the iPhone to recover music after a hard drive format. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2011, 01:05:53 PM » |
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It's not overly complicated to do but there is a slight risk of bricking your phone.
Not sure it'd work with the stock HTC rom though as sense requires the /system partition to be quite large.
You'd probably need to install the vanilla froyo rom first.
You'd then need to root the phone and s-off it too (instructions can be found on the XDA dev forums).
Once this is done you can customise the partition sizes.
To take advantage of the increased space and use the /cache partition more efficiently, it's also worth moving dalvik-cache to /cache.
My /data partition is just short of 200MB in size and, with 60 odd apps installed on it, still has just over 50MB of free space. Nothing is installed on my SD card.
You can see what's using up your internal memory by going to Settings > Applications > Manage applications > Downloaded and using the menu button to sort by size.
(Sorry for the thread hijack Ben) I used unrevoked a while back to root the phone, but it only s-off the CDMAs. Looking at AlphaRev I can s-off the phone and use Bravo Sense image which has 180/40/217 partitions giving me another 70MB, and I'm assuming that being called 'Sense' the 180MB will be enough for a stock ROM with sense. What I'm not sure of is if the phone will just continue to boot from the stock ROM after changing the partitions? I probably will change ROM at some point as I don't use sense really, but at the moment I can't be bothered with setting the phone back up. Also, I'm not sure how Alpharev will affect unrevoked? I've backed up the phone, but I'm assuming that unrevoked will be replaced by alpharev?? |
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Great post Jon! I have been following the effort since you started it, and although I have understood its purpose this post does a really great job solidifying the full rationale.
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2011, 01:29:17 PM » |
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Alpharev shouldn't affect the recovery image (Clockworkmod) flashed when you ran unrevoked but, if it does, just download and re-flash Clockworkmod in fastboot mode.
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2011, 01:40:01 PM » |
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I'm running a jailbroken iPhone so I can use SB Settings (being able to toggle location, wifi, airplane settings without the numerous clicks needed in Settings.app is great), Activator (to add the home button hold-click to bring up the camera app) and finally to be able to set a custom message alert noise (Tiny Wings quack  . I've been trying to decide whether to buy Mifi from Cydia, that way I could use the mobile data I'm paying for by tethering. Run the risk of upsetting T-mobile if I get caught though. |
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spannaa
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2011, 01:59:20 PM » |
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Run the risk of upsetting T-mobile if I get caught though. They haven't noticed my tethering over the past six months or so and it's very useful when using a laptop when you're away from your home/office. |
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