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fordie
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« on: July 30, 2007, 08:42:54 AM »

I've got a little bit of extra cash this month & seeing as I'm going off on holiday soon  I'm considering buying myself a DSLR. I used to shoot a lot of 35mm (with my olympus om10) but since going digital, I've only used point and shoot cameras - so I'll be looking for an entry level DSLR.

I've seen an olympus e500 (new) with two lenses (14-45mm lens &  40-150mm) for £309 which seems like an absolute bargain. The camera has good reviews can anyone think of a good reason why I shouldn't order it?
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2007, 09:19:23 AM »

The camera has good reviews can anyone think of a good reason why I shouldn't order it?

Yeah it's an Olympus!

Seriously.

Two makes of DSLR's I wouldnt touch are Olympus and Pentax for one reason. You try buying lenses for them!

The Olympus uses the Four Thirds lens mount which Olympus really hoped would make everyone in the photographic world go "ahh, what a great idea, you know what we should all do that". Instead everyone in the photographic world went "ahh, what a crap idea, there's no way we are adopting it as well". The result is that if you buy an Olympus you are stuck with just the Olympus range of lenses which is small and not everyone sells them. Buy a Nikon or Canon (or even a Fuji which also use the Nikon mount) and you can buy Nikon, Canon, Sigma and Tamrom lenses which basically gives you a choice of hundreds and they are sold everywhere.

What is Four Thirds? Okay most DSLR's use a sensor that is smaller than a 35mm frame this means that any lens gives a field of view 1.5x or 1.6x larger than the same lens on a 35mm camera due to the fact the edges of the frame are cut off on the sensor what Olympus did was to make their sensor even smaller which means lenses would have an even higher crop effect! When Olympus came up with the four thirds system it was at a time when people were complaining that there werent many wide angle lenses for a DSLR due to the crop factor so a camera that just made this situation even worse wasnt exactly attractive. However all the lens companies then went out and built wider lenses that were suitable only for digital SLR's and everyone was happy....except Olympus who couldnt or wouldnt get any third party company to build four third lenses. Then Canon came out and said, okay we'll build a digital SLR that uses a sensor the same size as a 35mm frame (a full frame sensor) and everyone went "ooh, ahh"....except Olympus who went "ahh sh1t".

Basically the four thirds system although good on paper is dead in the water because everyone else is either happy sticking with 1.5x (Nikon) or 1.6x (Canon) crop cameras or are going the other way and looking towards Full Frame cameras. Only Olympus has decided to go the other way which is a really stupid thing to do because apart from the fact that no third party manufacturer like Sigma and Tamrom will make lenses for your cameras it also means that Olympus cameras are noisier (image noise like film grain) than any other DSLR for the simple reason that the smaller the sensor the more tightly you have to pack the pixels and the smaller the pixels are, both of which require more current to amplify the signal from them and current is the biggers contributer to noise.

Buy any camera other than an Olympus!
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2007, 09:35:05 AM »

OK, but the camera comes with two lenses -  I think these would cover the range that I'm likely to want to shoot at for the moment. Admittedly it'd be nice to leave the possibility of getting other lenses later - but from what I've seen I don't have the sort of cash to get anything approaching the spec of the e500. If I found this really becoming an issue I think I'd just change manufacturer. This is really for me to test the dSLR waters big grin

On the noise front - the reviews I've read suggest that the noise on this model is much better then on previous olympus dSLRs for example
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With the E-500, noise appears more tamed than with previous Olympus dSLR cameras, and is significantly lower than on a compact digital camera using a smaller sensor. For example, photos shot in daylight at 800 ISO show a level of noise that is comparable to images captured with a compact camera at 200 ISO. And at 1600 ISO, the E-500's upper sensitivity limit, noise is comparable to the 400 ISO level of many current compact cameras with a similar resolution.

I find myself in a quandary now, cos as much as I value your opinion I'm still quite tempted
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2007, 09:36:49 AM »

As for a camera to get, I'd seriously look at the second hand market models like:

Canon EOS-10D
Canon EOS-20D
Nikon D70
Nikon D100

These are all excellent cameras and you might get lucky and find one in your price range with a lens or two (your best bet with lenses at around the £300 is a D70)

Failing that you could get the Nikon D40 with a 18-55mm for £270 (inc cashback) and then buy say something like Nikon 55-200mm f/4-5.6G AF-S DX ED for £139. Depending on your needs the D40 is a nice enough camera, if you 'just' want something to be able to take family and holiday photos etc than it's ideal, if you want to get a bit more 'photographic' then it falls a little short and due to the fact that it doenst have a motor in the lens mount it can only accept Nikon AF-S lenses.

The two lenses I mentioned aren't going to set the world on fire, in some lighting conditions they will struggle but if it family and holiday photos you are taking they are certainly up to the job.

If you want to get more into photography than IMO you are better off buying a second hand body and putting the savings towards better lenses which will improve the performance and results from and 'old' camera anyway.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2007, 09:41:05 AM »


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With the E-500, noise appears more tamed than with previous Olympus dSLR cameras, and is significantly lower than on a compact digital camera using a smaller sensor. For example, photos shot in daylight at 800 ISO show a level of noise that is comparable to images captured with a compact camera at 200 ISO. And at 1600 ISO, the E-500's upper sensitivity limit, noise is comparable to the 400 ISO level of many current compact cameras with a similar resolution.


In all honesty I can't say that what's been written here could be considered good! They are saying that a DSLR at ISO 800 can produce shots with the same amount of noise at a compact at ISO 200. I should bloomin well hope so! If I spend a few hundred pounds on a DSLR I sure as hell expect it to outpeform a crummy little compact costing around £100!

What you really want to do is compare the E-500 to other DSLR's then you'll see that it doesnt cut the mustard. I'm not saying it's bad (on the noise front) just not as good as many other cameras.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2007, 10:55:55 AM »

OK mate thanks, food for thought
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2007, 11:20:16 AM »

If you are stuck for what camera to buy then set yourself an amount that you cannot or will not go above for any reason. Then make a list putting the kind of photos you will do in order of importance i.e.

Family Photos
Landscapes
Sports
Wildlife

This will tell you what lenses you need the most and how much you have to spend on them including the camera.

Family Photos: You are looking at something in the 24-100mm range (a 24-70mm lens might be ideal)
Landscape Photos: You are looking at a wideangle lens somewhere between 15-50mm
Sports Photos: Often require long focal lengths but also can benefit from faster lenses (large apertures) so you are looking at the 70-300mm range f/2.8 would be ideal but very expensive so f/4 - f/5.6 is a good comprimise. If you can afford it get a lens with image stabilisation.
Wildlife: Typically means long lenses and can mean fast lenses too but you can often 'get away with' slower lenses so you are looking at something in the 100-500mm range f/2.8 would be best but incredibly expensive so look at f/4 - f/6.3 and possibly look at a lens with image stabilisation if you can afford it.

Now you know what kind of photos you take and what lenses you need to take them with, get some prices on suitable lenses and find a body (second hand or otherwise) to use them with that fits within your budget.

If that means that the Olympus E-500 is your best match than buy the Olympus. It's not a bad camera I just personally wouldnt by an Oly for the reasons I previously stated. If however it fits the bill, is cheaper than the alternatives and you do not want to stretch to them even if they offer other things than the Oly is the camera for you.
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2007, 11:46:51 AM »

I've only had a really quick look so far, I don't want to end up regretting a hasty purchase - but OTOH a little (but insistent) voice on the back of my head is going (buy it! buy it!). think I'll go & buy a magazine @ lunchtime.

On a separate note, beer?
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2007, 12:27:12 PM »

Try looking at retailers that let you shop via quidco.com as you can get cashback on the purchase, sometimes up to 10% etc, which might let you extend your budget a bit!
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2007, 01:11:01 PM »

Cheers Jee I'll take a look
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2007, 03:28:44 PM »

Check your PM!
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