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charlie
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« on: August 14, 2008, 12:08:56 PM »

Anyone come across any of these ? I've been looking for something pretty cheap for a while .. mainly just to check e-mails/do a bit of typing (as opposed to design work etc) when I;m away ... they look pretty cool for around £220 ... just wondered if anyone had used one ?

http://www.firebox.com/product/2034/ASUS-Ultra-Portable-PC

(actually .. seem cheaper here > http://www.asuslaptop.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=Asus_Laptop_EEE_PC&cat=45 )
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 01:45:37 PM »

I got a 901 a few days ago (not much change from £300), newer, better, and bigger that the one you were looking at. I haven't had it long enough to get used to it but I don't think you will want to do much serious typing on the keyboard. It's usable enough, but you'll have to learn to type with fewer fingers or you'll just get in your own way.

If you were wondering how 8.9" compares

That's a 24" wide on the left, 21" (4:3) on the right. They're all less blurry in reality.

Not at all convinced on the 'easy' interface, but mostly because Internet/work/play/learn isn't the way I organise things, and I'm used to a full fat KDE desktop. But you can change that, which I no doubt will when I get to it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 01:53:46 PM »

cheers .. will be interested to hear what you think when you've had time to play with it too.  I see it very much as a 'check e-mails and write stuff' while at cricket or in cafes not as a full fledge laptop. Know what you mean about keyboard but I reckon I'd get round it ok in a bit of time. Apparently, if I understood correct, while the screen for the one you bought is larger, the actual keyboard is the same size as the cheaper one.

Keep me posted.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 12:29:34 AM »

I have changed my mind about the keyboard, it is not so bad now that I had a few days to get used to it. I shall test this theory by typing this message/mini-review on the eee.

The pre-installed typing program (clearly aimed at kids, but nevermind that) is very helpful in getting used to the keyboard, I can type at reasonable speeds with minimal mistakes.

Remaining oddities, backslash/bar is on the Z key (I reasigned them to the caps lock key with xmodmap, requires some fidddling with a script). `¬| key is between Esc and F1 meaning the number keys are further left than usual, #/~ key is to the right of ], not below it as is usual of proper keyboards, so the enter key is horizontal instead of vertical, IYSWIM. Acute accented vowels are marked on the keyboard (ie AltGr+a works as well as AltGr+; a), this is different to my desktop which has things like ae and o-slash. It wouldn't let me type other diacritic marks like š (s-caron, AltGr+Shift+' s) by default without getting two characters (open a terminal, start kcontrol and turn off keyboard layouts works, but I'm not sure that is the proper way). If you never have reason to type any such characters this won't be a problem.

But a word of warning, when you go back to a regular keyboard you will start typing gibberish until your fingers remember where all the grown up keys are located.

As for the rest of the hardware, it runs quite warm and the fan comes on often, it is quieter than most laptop fans I've heard but is still quite intrusive in a quiet environment.

Wifi works with no hassles, setup was easier than the last Windows laptop I tried to get working.

Screen colour accuracy is good enough for most purposes, but maybe not for photo editing. Reds in particular look a little brown. Viewing angles are not great either, but are good enough for people sitting beside you to see what you are doing (if that is good or bad depends on what you are doing), just don't plan on doing any presentations to a room full of people. Not that you would on such a small screen.

Sound quality through the speakers is pretty much as you'd expect, rubbish. But the headphone output is excellent, just the slightest trace of background hiss during silent moments.

It comes with a cloth to wipe it, and you will need it, the glossy finish picks up more fingerprints than an episode of CSI. Don't buy the black version.

LEDS on the front edge (power, battery, SSD activity, wifi) are annoying, but your hand will block them from view most of the time. The blue wifi LED in particular is excessively bright (you can see it in the photo above), and battery flashes at < 80% charge, the manual says it flashes faster when it runs low but in my experience that is not the case. I haven't yet made it to the claimed 8 hours on a full charge, but did manage about 4.5 hours playing some pre-ripped DVDs on an NFS share over wifi.

Software: Everything that comes pre-installed that I've tried worked as it was intended, and most people will be happy with what they get in the box. There are programs for all the common things, and many more common KDE apps installed that you won't find in the easy interface, but there is nothing easy about knowing what they are called unless you are already familiar with them.

The work tab is reasonable, Star Office (Sun's proprietary version of OpenOffice.org) is installed, I'm not sure how this differs from plain OOo.

I expect most people won't be interested in what they'll find on the Learn tab, other than perhaps the typing program I mentioned, but once you are used to the keyboard you won't use that either. I have little interest in the games, I dare say if you want games you should buy a DS or a PSP. You can't run Crysis on an eee. I'm not familiar with many Linux games, but Neverball (in the community repositories mentioned later) is almost playable if you turn all the settings down and use a mouse.

The play tab has a proprietary DVD player program, which presumably needs a USB DVD drive (which I don't have), it would not play pre-ripped .iso or VIDEO_TS folders, and while it did play individual VOBs, it did so with no subtitle options. The 'Media Player' application (smplayer frontend for mplayer) can play DVD .iso files, VIDEO_TS folders and VOBs with correct aspect ratio, subtitles and title/chapter navigation but does not have proper menu support, it also plays everything else I have to hand, Xvid, mpeg, and the sample WMVs that come with the eee. There are other programs in the various tabs but they were mostly as expected so I won't bother mentioning them.

More generally, geeks will notice that many programs are not the latest version (eg Firefox 2.0.0.14) and Free Software advocates will be disappointed at the inclusion of proprietary programs which have better Free equivalents (eg Adobe Reader). Other program oddities include Picasa - a Windows app that uses Wine, but Wine is not available if you want to run other Windows programs. Which seems daft.

Which brings me to the subject of other programs, which is my main complaint. If everything you want to do is possible with the installed programs (which I won't list here) then the next paragraph might not be of interest.

Installing programs on most modern distros is simple, The eee runs a variation of Xandros is based on Debian so you have apt and its associates (apt-get, synaptic, etc), which is rather useless when Asus repositories contain nothing that is not already installed. And don't bother with apt-get udate and apt-get upgrade, it will download 180MB of updated packages and then give up when it finds some needed packages are broken (missing) from the repository. You can't use Xandros proper repositories and while instructions on the eeeuser wiki for adding community supported repositories will give you some extra options, they are not as well stocked as proper distros, and some packages I tried to install have broken dependencies. Linux won't win any new fans if people mistakingly believe all distros to be like this.

But for what it sets out to do, it does well. For web browsing, emails, as a general purpose media player (if you can live without the DVD menus, and as long as you get some headphones or plug in speakers), or for actually doing something productive, it is very good. And lasts long enough on batteries that you can take it out and not have to carry the power supply and a bundle of cables with you.

Plans for this week: figure out how to add what I want, a proper KDE menu, get Konqueror drag and drop local to ftp working (possibly clipboard related?), dvd playback with menus (xine-ui I guess), a decent code editor (kate is already there, geany would be nice), miscellaneous other useful but not essential dev tools, shoutcast station list for Amarok, a better calculator (speedcrunch), vmware console, PHP for general purpose scripting (I never did learn enough bash to do anything clever), maybe MySQL and Apache just to see if I can('t). Can I do it without throwing Xandros away and installing something else? I know I can do all that with a proper distro, probably staying with the ubuntu family having run (K)ubuntu full time on my main computer for about 3 years.

Which brings me to the end of these disorganised thoughts. Maybe helpful. Maybe not. But my theory was correct, the keyboard really isn't so bad after all. Congratulations, you have stayed awake to the end of the post.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 07:39:44 AM »

You might also want to take a look at the new Acer Aspire One.  You'll have to make sure you get the 6-cell battery, but other than that it just got a cracking review over at El Reg.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 08:44:53 AM »

Thanks for that lengthy review Jason (much of which was way too techy for my old fashioned brain to understand :-) .... but good to know that you feel generally more positive about it now.


As Tanty mentioned, I have also been looking at the Acer Aspire One ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/aug/07/computing.gadgets ) which is getting great reviews and it's basic model is only around £200 though the battery for it apparently lasts between 2 and 3 hours depending on which review you read. Generally speaking it gets better reviews than the asus but apart from teh battery, the main negative comment seems to be that it has no Bluetooth capability.

General question on this ... you know those internet dongles, if there's no wi fi hotspot .. would those work with Linux and doyou know if there are any pay as you go versions of those rather than a monthly contract as I wouldn't expect to use it much at all but could be a handy back up.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 08:47:02 AM »

General question on this ... you know those internet dongles, if there's no wi fi hotspot .. would those work with Linux and doyou know if there are any pay as you go versions of those rather than a monthly contract as I wouldn't expect to use it much at all but could be a handy back up.

I know there's no Linux drivers for the 3 ones.  We've got a few in our office and they'll only work on Windows.
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 10:37:20 AM »

I don't know about 3G dongles. I did find instructions for using a Nokia N95 (and presumably other recent Nokias), haven't tried it.

I don't know about other networks, T-mobile data charges (without web n walk) are £1/day upto 40MB (or £0.0073p/KB upto 135KB), I'm not sure what happens if you go over 40MB.
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2008, 10:54:59 AM »

you'd think with the number of laptops etc increasing that you'd be able o but 'pay as you go' dongles wouldn't you really. I wouldn't want to pay £35/month to only use it maybe a couple of times a month ... mmm maybe I can sell the idea wink
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2008, 11:53:18 AM »

3 do cheaper web n walk type plans - http://www.three.co.uk/personal/products_services_/mobile_broadband_/price_plans.omp

Don't know what they're like.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2008, 11:04:41 PM »

Jason, Mandriva have a distro set up for installing on these small thingies.

3G dongles - most do work with some tinkering. The big problem is they 'switch'. There's software in the memory that gets loaded when it's first detected. Then it switches to a standard usb device. The key is to stop it switching. Once you do that then most seem to work. Loads of walk throughs on the web.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2008, 12:53:17 PM »

I've had my T-mobile dongle working no problem at all.

For ref:
create or replace /etc/ppp/peers/provider with
Code:
# example configuration for a dialup connection authenticated with PAP or CHAP
#
# This is the default configuration used by pon(1) and poff(1).
# See the manual page pppd(8) for information on all the options.

# MUST CHANGE: replace myusername@realm with the PPP login name given to
# your by your provider.
# There should be a matching entry with the password in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
# and/or /etc/ppp/chap-secrets.
user "T-Mobile"

# MUST CHANGE: replace ******** with the phone number of your provider.
# The /etc/chatscripts/pap chat script may be modified to change the
# modem initialization string.
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/pap -T *99#"

# Serial device to which the modem is connected.
/dev/ttyUSB0

# Speed of the serial line.
460800

# Assumes that your IP address is allocated dynamically by the ISP.
noipdefault
# Try to get the name server addresses from the ISP.
usepeerdns
# Use this connection as the default route.
defaultroute

# Makes pppd "dial again" when the connection is lost.
persist

# Do not ask the remote to authenticate.
noauth

updetach
novj
novjccomp
nopcomp
nodeflate
replacedefaultroute
holdoff 5

Create or replace /etc/chatscripts/pap

with
Code:
# You can use this script unmodified to connect to sites which allow
# authentication via PAP, CHAP and similar protocols.
# This script can be shared among different pppd peer configurations.
# To use it, add something like this to your /etc/ppp/peers/ file:
#
# connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/pap -T PHONE-NUMBER"
# user YOUR-USERNAME-IN-PAP-SECRETS
# noauth

# Uncomment the following line to see the connect speed.
# It will be logged to stderr or to the file specified with the -r chat option.
#REPORT CONNECT

ABORT BUSY
ABORT VOICE
ABORT "NO CARRIER"
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"
ABORT "NO DIAL TONE"
"" ATZ
OK ATE0V1&D2&C1S0=0+IFC=2,2
OK AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","general.t-mobile.uk"
OK ATDT*99#
CONNECT ""

Then its simply a  case of  typing "pon" for connecting and "poff" to disconnect.

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2008, 02:03:39 PM »

I did find instructions for using a Nokia N95 (and presumably other recent Nokias), haven't tried it.

Well the first set of instructions were for connecting the phone to a USB port, and the second for using bluetooth were unnecessarily complicated. So I ignored them both and found it was remarkably easy.

Turn on bluetooth on the phone and the eee (Fn+F2 if necessary)
On the eee open the Bluetooth manager (in the settings tab), Hit F5 (device discovery), select your phone, right click and select pair device, follow the on screen instructions on the eee and the phone.
Optionally, go back to the phone and set the eee as authorised (on an N95 would be Tools, Bluetooth, paired devices tab, click options and set as authorised).

Back on the eee, click dial-up network icon on the bluetooth manager, and then connect, for t-mobile leave username and password empty, set dial number *99***1#, APN general.t-mobile.uk, and click dial. (There is a bug in this program, if you click cancel or close the dialog it will say it is connecting, but won't, ignore it and close the dialog.)

If you didn't set the eee as authorised you need to go back to the phone to accept the connection.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2008, 10:52:53 PM »

Thanks for your review JasonD, it's a very informative read. Today I bought 2 x 701's for the kids as xmas pressies. I did actually want 2 x Acer Aspire Ones really, as they have bigger screen & keyboard, but all the stores I tried were out of stock. PC World told me they were showing as a discontinued line.

I wanted to actually physically buy these in a store rather than online so I got them in Staples for £179.99 each. I tried to haggle with the bloke and get them both for £350, but he was having none of it! He did let me have 2 x £5 off my next purchase vouchers (which I will use to buy a couple 8GB memory sticks), plus I signed up to the reward scheme which will get me a £10 voucher too.

They're now stashed away at the grandparents until Christmas (which caused much protest from Josh)!!
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2009, 07:12:05 PM »

Sorry to double post..... fear

I am really, really impressed with the laptops. Unfortunately I couldn't get them to connect to the livebox at my parents house but I've had no problems connecting them to the BT Homehub now I'm home.

The kids find the Linux desktop really easy to use and I was very impressed with the pre-installed games/software.
I would definitely recommend these to anyone that is thinking of getting one.

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