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Bloody swine annoying thing! This might be of use to Matt (I think, he's the college sysadmin?) since being the first (and only) user here to have a Vista PC I've noticed that my roaming user profile does not synchronise with the server, finally got some time to look into this properly and the following site has explained that Vista is quite simply incompatible with profiles created with 2000 and XP: http://4sysops.com/archives/windows-vista-and-windows-xp-roaming-user-profiles-interoperability-folder-redirection-is-the-only-way/What a PITA, as a result nobody else on this AD network will be getting Vista for a while yet, just ordering three new Dells but sticking with XP Pro until I've ironed out all the problems! My users roam between XP and 2000 machines all the time, and expect to have everything available everywhere... including Outlook, when we can't afford Exhange/licenses. And Dreamweaver MX 2004 can't manage sites on network drives either, plus Adobe have dropped support for anything previous to studio 8. rant over, watch this space for more... just thought it might be useful info for any poor Windows sysadmins on here |
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Curry
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2007, 02:31:44 PM » |
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Bloody swine annoying thing! This might be of use to Matt (I think, he's the college sysadmin?) since being the first (and only) user here to have a Vista PC I've noticed that my roaming user profile does not synchronise with the server, finally got some time to look into this properly and the following site has explained that Vista is quite simply incompatible with profiles created with 2000 and XP: http://4sysops.com/archives/windows-vista-and-windows-xp-roaming-user-profiles-interoperability-folder-redirection-is-the-only-way/What a PITA, as a result nobody else on this AD network will be getting Vista for a while yet, just ordering three new Dells but sticking with XP Pro until I've ironed out all the problems! My users roam between XP and 2000 machines all the time, and expect to have everything available everywhere... including Outlook, when we can't afford Exhange/licenses. And Dreamweaver MX 2004 can't manage sites on network drives either, plus Adobe have dropped support for anything previous to studio 8. rant over, watch this space for more... just thought it might be useful info for any poor Windows sysadmins on here Did u manage to get machines from Mike with XP? I tried and they said no. I been buying all my new machines (Siemens) from another source |
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Mr Anderson
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2007, 02:45:19 PM » |
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Did u manage to get machines from Mike with XP?
I tried and they said no. Dell Business, or Home? Sarah got XP on a new laptop from Dell Business in May. Maybe down to what individual business managers are prepared to offer?  |
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Tanthalas
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2007, 04:06:33 PM » |
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these tards still can't create folders in an OS they've used for years, despite training
And they're going to get the World's Most Annoying Operating System? Bloody hell. At that level, I'd recommend sealing the doors with concrete or lead and then activating the sprinklers. Darwinism and the BOFH go well together. |
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Aperture Science
We do what we must because we can
For the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake
You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake
And the science gets done, and you make a neat gun
For the people who are still alive
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chavalier
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2007, 04:12:47 PM » |
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disable a few of the services, it's quite good then.
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Dave
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2007, 05:02:35 PM » |
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And Dreamweaver MX 2004 can't manage sites on network drives either, plus Adobe have dropped support for anything previous to studio 8. Works fine for me - I have \\server\www mounted as P: and it can happily do site management stuff. I've only played with basic stuff though so maybe the link checker or whatever breaks |
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Rosco
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2007, 05:11:39 PM » |
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And Dreamweaver MX 2004 can't manage sites on network drives either, plus Adobe have dropped support for anything previous to studio 8. Works fine for me - I have \\server\www mounted as P: and it can happily do site management stuff. I've only played with basic stuff though so maybe the link checker or whatever breaks weird... I have W:\ mapped to \\server\website and when DWMX loads it says it can't be found, or when I go into manage sites try re-entering the path there... W:\ is always crossed out as unavailable... yet if I do a simple File > Open I can find it with the Explorer dialog |
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Dave
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2007, 07:14:23 AM » |
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I often have to do start->run p: (or load it up with one of the main windows programs like notepad) before any other stuff will register its presence. I guess this must be something to do with using an old/different control for the open dialog.
Does it work once you've opened it up with explorer or whatever?
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Matt
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2007, 10:02:53 AM » |
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Being in education BECTA have said we cant use Vista or Office 2007 in schools anyway, and more importantly our Head refuses any order with the word vista on it - so there is no way we are going to be using it. Saying that, we have two Vista laptops here, one being mine but both are standalone Home premiums which dont support joining domains anyways. Im quite interested in your setup for outlook Ross, Ive jsut stuck all the 200 teachers onto outlook, with roaming profiles - so created the PST in their user area which will move with them, and not in their profiles. I user a program that created the profiles uatomatically for them, Outlook profiler from GOFF - but it has sinced stopped working, and typically people missed the deadline, how do you go about setting it all up? We are using an IMAP server. If only exchange was a bit cheaper!! Bloody swine annoying thing! This might be of use to Matt (I think, he's the college sysadmin?) since being the first (and only) user here to have a Vista PC I've noticed that my roaming user profile does not synchronise with the server, finally got some time to look into this properly and the following site has explained that Vista is quite simply incompatible with profiles created with 2000 and XP: http://4sysops.com/archives/windows-vista-and-windows-xp-roaming-user-profiles-interoperability-folder-redirection-is-the-only-way/What a PITA, as a result nobody else on this AD network will be getting Vista for a while yet, just ordering three new Dells but sticking with XP Pro until I've ironed out all the problems! My users roam between XP and 2000 machines all the time, and expect to have everything available everywhere... including Outlook, when we can't afford Exhange/licenses. And Dreamweaver MX 2004 can't manage sites on network drives either, plus Adobe have dropped support for anything previous to studio 8. rant over, watch this space for more... just thought it might be useful info for any poor Windows sysadmins on here |
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Tanthalas
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2007, 10:13:44 AM » |
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BECTA have said we cant use Vista or Office 2007 in schools anyway
Really? Didn't know that. Good for them. |
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Aperture Science
We do what we must because we can
For the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake
You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake
And the science gets done, and you make a neat gun
For the people who are still alive
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Dave
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2007, 10:35:01 AM » |
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BECTA have said we cant use Vista or Office 2007 in schools anyway
Really? Didn't know that. Good for them. BECTA on Vista: Recommendation
The new features of Vista add value but
do not justify early deployment in the educational ICT estate. Educational institutions are strongly advised to consider the findings of Becta’s final report on Vista before considering any wide-scale deployment.
If any institution has a need for early deployment, it should ensure that it has fully and carefully considered the issues identified in this interim report including the technical, financial, and organisational implications for the institution, of any proposed deployment.
Recommendation
Microsoft should facilitate a limited number of pilot activities to clarify what the benefits of deploying Vista in an educational institution would be and
what level of costs the deployment would generate. Ideally, these pilot activities would be completed in time to inform Becta’s final report on Vista. BECTA on Office 2007: Recommendation
Microsoft should develop a compelling business case to underpin any rationale for deploying Office 2007 in UK education. The business case should take account of the nature and scale of deployment of existing office productivity tools, and should also identify the additional educational capabilities that Office 2007 would offer to offset the additional costs. Ideally such a business case would be available before Becta finalised its recommendations in relation to Office 2007.
Recommendation
Educational institutions are recommended to await the publication of Becta’s final report before making definitive decisions in relation to the wide-scale deployment of Office 2007.
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Recommendation
Educational ICT suppliers should seek to facilitate choice to schools, ensuring that computers for this market are shipped with a choice of Office productivity suites on the desktop. Ideally this choice should include an open-source offering.
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Recommendation
Microsoft should seek to improve the compatibility of Office 2007 with earlier versions of MS Word, and should also consider how the interoperability with MS Works could be further improved.
Recommendation
Microsoft should move to provide native support for the ODF file format as soon as is practical and at the latest by mid 2007.
Recommendation
Schools and colleges should only deploy Office 2007 when its interoperability with alternative products is satisfactory. link here: http://publications.becta.org.uk/download.cfm?resID=28199 |
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Rosco
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2007, 11:02:12 AM » |
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I often have to do start->run p: (or load it up with one of the main windows programs like notepad) before any other stuff will register its presence. I guess this must be something to do with using an old/different control for the open dialog.
that actually worked! cheers dude Does it work once you've opened it up with explorer or whatever?
It always worked in Explorer, which is what puzzled me... the drives map as part of a login script and Vista had no problems with that... Explorer saw it and File > Open in Dreamweaver let me browse network drives and open files from them (but only because thats an Explorer driven control)... it was the actual Manage Sites part of DW that kept crossing out network drives, saying they could not be found. So I had to do individual File > Opens then save and use Filezilla to upload... which was a pain if I was only updating one little piece of text bloody weird but fixed now... might still try to wangle CS3 Web Premium out of my boss but I don't fancy my chances  Being in education BECTA have said we cant use Vista or Office 2007 in schools anyway, and more importantly our Head refuses any order with the word vista on it - so there is no way we are going to be using it. Saying that, we have two Vista laptops here, one being mine but both are standalone Home premiums which dont support joining domains anyways.
being a publicly-funded charity, budget is our biggest restriction... money comes in from different local and national funding bodies so we have very few models that are the same... not great for management or recovery, I'd love to be able to buy and ghost a full suite of PCs! I recommend a shelf-life/depreciation of five years for desktops but we often have to use them for longer, so I like to keep up with Software... by the time the PCs i've just bought are at the end of their life cycle then the OS will be over a decade old! But they'll do the job of a basic office PC Im quite interested in your setup for outlook Ross, Ive jsut stuck all the 200 teachers onto outlook, with roaming profiles - so created the PST in their user area which will move with them, and not in their profiles.
do I recall suggesting that to you? Anyway thats what I did, moved their Outlook folder (with outlook.pst and archive.pst) to their own network space (H: drive) so that its not part of their profile, but the app setting that points to it is. The only problem with this is laptop users that go to other locations, PST files don't synchronise as Offline files (I keep Offline Files switched off anyway, more trouble than its worth with the size of shares and number of MDB files we have). So these users have their PST files stored locally, and have a batch script copy it to the server for backup... they can still roam to other machines but Outlook doesn't follow them... they are lazy set-in-their-way middle-aged users anyway, so never take their laptop anywhere or use any other machines, and they've never quite fully come to terms that our network is multi-user anyway, and reckon its one computer one person one password... so i leave them to it As for using tools... I have 80 users city-wide but only 25-30 of these are part of the AD network at head office, so I just set up each machine and user profile individually. If a few start I make a template profile... to do this: - create a test/template user and set up everything on the profile. - make that template user an Administrator (i'll tell you why in the next step) - log into the AD server directly as the template user (thats why they must be an admin) - go to My computer properties' Profiles tab - copy the newly created local profile for the template user to the directory you store the roaming profiles in - repeat the last step for each user you wish to add, naming the copied folder after the username All of that is just off the top of my head, been a while since I had to create identical profiles in a batch and yeah, would be better if we could afford Exchange! |
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Dave
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2007, 11:46:27 AM » |
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I often have to do start->run p: (or load it up with one of the main windows programs like notepad) before any other stuff will register its presence. I guess this must be something to do with using an old/different control for the open dialog.
that actually worked! cheers dude Does it work once you've opened it up with explorer or whatever?
It always worked in Explorer, which is what puzzled me... the drives map as part of a login script and Vista had no problems with that... Explorer saw it and File > Open in Dreamweaver let me browse network drives and open files from them (but only because thats an Explorer driven control)... it was the actual Manage Sites part of DW that kept crossing out network drives, saying they could not be found. So I had to do individual File > Opens then save and use Filezilla to upload... which was a pain if I was only updating one little piece of text bloody weird but fixed now... Before, when it didn't work, if you opened the folder in explorer then loaded up DW and the site, would it recognise the files? |
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2007, 12:12:05 PM » |
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yeah you can still buy machines with XP pre-installed... I just got one Optiplex and two Inspiron laptops with XP. do you have a Dell business account manager?
I do and he was the one that told me I couldn't have XP anymore. Ah well. Matt |
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2007, 12:23:10 PM » |
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Before, when it didn't work, if you opened the folder in explorer then loaded up DW and the site, would it recognise the files?
I've definitely browsed the network drive successfully, but not sure whether I'd already launched DW or not... maybe thats it, have to refresh the connection to the share before DW loads its sites yeah you can still buy machines with XP pre-installed... I just got one Optiplex and two Inspiron laptops with XP. do you have a Dell business account manager?
I do and he was the one that told me I couldn't have XP anymore. Ah well. Matt one of our old account managers (we've had about 40,000 in the last few years) told me we couldn't buy Inspirons via our business account as they were home/consumer products... our latest manager confirmed this was poo and they are just encouraged to recommend business machines (like Latitudes) its the luck of the draw with the sales team, I've had to go higher before... but as you know Dell's worth it for the products and support |
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2007, 12:57:56 PM » |
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Being in education BECTA have said we cant use Vista or Office 2007 in schools anyway, and more importantly our Head refuses any order with the word vista on it - so there is no way we are going to be using it. Saying that, we have two Vista laptops here, one being mine but both are standalone Home premiums which dont support joining domains anyways.
being a publicly-funded charity, budget is our biggest restriction... money comes in from different local and national funding bodies so we have very few models that are the same... not great for management or recovery, I'd love to be able to buy and ghost a full suite of PCs! I recommend a shelf-life/depreciation of five years for desktops but we often have to use them for longer, so I like to keep up with Software... by the time the PCs i've just bought are at the end of their life cycle then the OS will be over a decade old! But they'll do the job of a basic office PC
Doesnt sound like a nice postion to be in, being a school we dont get massive amounts of money in, but we have no choice but to have the same OS network wide and use roaming profiles - especially as next year we are going split site - jsut had a physical fibre (16 core) stuck between here adn the other site so that its all run from up here as normal and we are in a pretty nice postion to have completely new pcs at the new site - so 187 identical machines - downside is Ive got 30 a week comming in to be built. Will take the network to 700 PCs - all networked (Plus about 120 staff laptops) so think the outlook profiler is the only way to go. May even have to buy it, as it just stopped working on the free trial, no warning or even notice about what was the trial limit, ie days or features. Think it was days!! |
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2007, 11:38:59 PM » |
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Welcome to the education sector  Tell me about it, I work in the voluntary/charity sector, I know all about having no budgets... but I'm still quick to remind folk in the sector that they should know the limitations dictated by their budget, or lack of... I often tell my users or bosses that something, and indeed anything, is possible, technically, but they're not gonna get it cos they can't/wont invest in decent solutions and/or the support overheads or training for them (another favourite saying of mine is that money is not the only cost - full of BOFH clichés, me)... I stop short of advising them to cry about it, at least in the case of the bosses let me know how you get on with that  |
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2007, 12:55:39 PM » |
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Just got the go-ahead for it, gonna go for a owned licence at £1.5k - so will let you know Telling users to cry about it, or telling them its a PEBCAC Error (google it if you dont know!) is the only form of support I can manage at the moment *looks to right with pile of 70pcs awaiting build* |
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